Formal Session – Norfolk City Council 2/25/20

Formal Session – Norfolk City Council 2/25/20


standing forward opening prayer will be
given by the Reverend Lawrence a tarde senior lighthouse assembly of God and
please remain standing for the Pledge of Allegiance welcome pastor Todd that’s
great eternal God we thank you for this day and the many blessings we have
received please instruct us and teach us in the way that we should go in this
meeting please counsel us with your loving eyes
on us let your aims in this meeting be aligned
with our aims in this meeting be aligned with your direction
let our plans be orchestrated by you Father let your will be done in this
city council so that this can be a meeting that is based upon your desires
for us give each person clarity of mind creativity compassion due diligence
integrity and a sense of humor whatever you want to result from this meeting let
it happen and your mighty name we pray amen mr. clerk please call the roll
this is Doyle here mrs. graves here is Johnson here is McClellan here mr.
Riddick yeah mr. spiegle here mr. Tomich like dr. Alexander here please read the
motion to dispense with the reading of the minutes of the previous meeting
mrs. Doyle hi mr. graves mrs. Johnson yeah hi miss McClellan hi mr. Riddick
hey mr. smiegel all right mr. Thomas hi dr. Alexander
I’m sir please read the resolution sort of find the closed meeting of a
resolution certifying a closed meeting of the Council of the City of Norfolk in
accordance with the provisions of the Virginia Freedom of Information Act
adopt the resolution mrs. Doyle I this is great mrs. Johnson hi miss McClellan
hi mr. Riddick all right mr. smiegel i mr. Tom dr. Alexander hi good evening
for the benefit of those who met regularly attend our the council
meetings our procedure it is to take up ceremonial items first next we take up
public interest in the Casilla gin death which will be voted on in a block you
any mandate the Council of the public wishes to discuss on I think that item
will be removed from the consent agenda and considered separately
following the Casilla jindo we will take up regulation items in order as they
appear on the docket upon the completion of the agenda and will then take up any
new business to come before the council to address the council
you should have registered speak in the lobby of the council chamber or
downstairs before 7:00 p.m. when your name is called please come to the podium
state your name and your address and please limit your comments to three
minutes splurt Bobby what motion is to continue okay so I’ll read over and read this and
they’ll make a motion to continue that the next item is received bids pursuant
to invitation to bid and notice the public hearing scheduled to stay
pursuant to state law public notice having been inserted in the local press
by the city clerk to accept bids for a long-term garage parking agreement for
the term of up to ten years with the right to extend the term for up to two
periods of five years each for the lease up to 581 parking spaces in the
commercial place garage located at 520 East Main Street in the City of Norfolk
Virginia subject to certain terms and conditions motions continue to March the
third 2020 thank you I’m just confused we’re going to accept the minute and
then continue it or we’re not taking any bids
okay thank you second by mrs. grace mrs. Doyle
hi mrs. grace this is Johnson I miss McClellan same mr. Riddick all
right mr. Smigiel hi mr. Thomas hi dr. Alexander ib2 public hearing has continued to March
the 3rd thank you 4 o’clock no we already have that immediate schedule ah
b2 is a receipt of bids pursuant to invitation to bid and notice the public
hearing scheduled this day pursuant to state law public notice having been
inserted in the local press by the city clerk to accept bids for a long-term
parking garage agreement with the term of up to 10 years with the right to
extend the term for up to two periods of 5 years each for a lease of up to 118
parking spaces in the fountain Park garage located at 130 Bank Street up to
91 spaces parking spaces and the waterside garage located at 50
Martin’s lane and up to 89 parking spaces and the Bank Street garage
located at 441 Bank Street in the City of Norfolk Virginia subject to certain
terms and conditions is their motion to continue to March third thank you I
second thank you mrs. Doyle hi mrs. graves
mrs. Johnson hi mrs. McClellan abstain mr. Riddick all right mr. Spang boy mr.
Thomas I just want to say I am excited for town bank to be investing and moving
into our downtown and look forward to having a finalized deal hopefully by
next week I thank you dr. Alexander public hearing 1 scheduled this day
under the state law to hear comments on approving a first amendment to lease
between the City of Norfolk as landlord and National Railroad passenger
corporation as tenants so as to extend the term of the lease for a certain
property located at 280 Park Avenue Norfolk Virginia for one additional
period of five years and authorizing the city manager to execute the 1st
amendment to lease on behalf of the City of Norfolk I’ve been the ordinance
approving the 1st amendment to lease between the City of Norfolk is landlord
and National Railroad passenger corporation is tenant so as to extend
the term of the lease for property located at 280 Park Avenue Norfolk
Virginia for one additional period of five years and authorizing the city
manager to execute the 1st amendment to lease on behalf of the City of Norfolk
dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the ordinance and adopt with
the effective date mrs. Doyle hi mrs. graves
mrs. Johnson hi mrs. McClellan hi mr. Riddick aye mr. smiegel aye mr. Thomas
hi dr. Alexander hi peach – public hearing 2 scheduled this day under the
state law City Planning Commission for a text amendment to the Northwest owning
ordinance to add short term rental vacation rental to HC wf1 West Freemason
historic and cultural conservation in hcw F – West Freemason historical and
cultural conservation zoning district in table 3 point 6 point 11 principle
accessory and temporary use table for historic and cultural conservation base
zoning districts Charles now you speak please come forward good evening
my name is Charles Niles I live in Norfolk do you need a specific address
six six three six Hudson Avenue see I want to recommend it you guys varied
approval vote in favor of this zoning amendment to allow vacation rentals in
West Freemason approval is one step in the direction of correcting an omission
in my opinion which costs a freemason area be excluded originally this
amendment provides two important items for Airbnb operators one it
conditionally allows vacation rentals in freemason and two it supports Reynolds
in less than 30 nights when the owner does not stay on the premises I operate
an Airbnb rental established in August of 2016 by my late wife in the Freemason
area to accommodate the city’s news annuals I increase in the minimum state
to two nights from two nights to 30 nights I do not reside on the premises
nor do I intend to do so it’s not essential for an Airbnb owner or Airbnb
host to be present on the premises but it is essential for the guests to have
access to a responsive mu P host like me what are those acting on his or her
behalf during my time as an Airbnb host I’ve encountered quite a variety of
guests one common thread among these guests is it’s a prefer staying at an
Airbnb over a hotel I have testimonials from several guests relating how much
they’ve enjoyed their staves I’ve seen repeat guests specific examples include
relatives of patients at CHKD military family members visiting to attend
special activities such as weddings EVMs event visitors including doctors
lecturers and students people who have pets including therapy dogs people who
are participate in downtown events especially at scope and Chrysler Hall
performance residence the Freemason Organa we stay a
few days while their homes are being renovated and former residents of
freemason area who come back to visit unfortunately the longer stay
requirements are not amenable to this type of guest shorter stays offer much
more flexibility so my bit my Airbnb location benefits a city and the
Freemason area in a lot of ways please vote in favor of the amendment thank you ship chick good evening my name is Brady
chicken my name is Brady chick I’m here to speak toward the freemason Airbnb
proposal my my wife and I have been running in there be and be on West
Freemason since that give us your address so we can have it sir the
address of the this particular property is of your West Freemason my wife now
live in 2600 Heston Road in Virginia Beach thank you sir we lived in we lived
on Freemasons from 2012 until 2017 about a year after our son was born and it’s a
it’s a four-plex of a building that was formerly owned by the architecture firm
Holland and Shriver and they had divided up into residential and commercial units
and then when we when we bought the building you know we lived in two of the
units we rented out to the units and it was great and then we moved to the beach
and we were running the place out and not living on-site and the one thing
about having the the long-term rentals is they kind of tear the place up and on
a historical building it takes a lot of effort to kind of restore the space back
to get into a rentable condition and then you have somebody stay there for a
year and it kind of messes up the middle of stuff out so we finally after one of
the units of the tenants moved out we repainted it like oh this is too
adorable to let somebody just kind of put their stuff in and destroy it again
so let’s try and we’d actually been following on chucks
progress on on Airbnb he had been doing it for a couple years and he had several
hundred guests stay at his place and they were just enamored with the
neighborhood and with chucks luxe property so let’s give a shot
well we crushed it I mean the place was very popular within a year we had 150
200 guests stay there all positive reviews we opened up a second floor to
that and I was also incredibly popular the the proceeds from that have tripled
what we were getting from the building on a regular you know twelve month
rental not to mention that building is much much much better condition than
when we were just allowing people to stay there and we you know only see the
insides maybe once every three months or so forth I’m on site although I’m on the
property probably if not every day you know two or three times a week because I
do all the cleaning and the maintenance myself and I would say that the only
probably the only the only obstacle that I’m gonna have with the proposed
addition to the languages is that my my particular building does not have any
Austrey parking which is going to exclude us and I would ask the council
and I know it couldn’t be voted on tonight or maybe it could be considered
for a later okay I would just like to make one point about the parking when we
had the the permanent residents they each got three passes I think we
understand so down to one for the Airbnb so it takes off nine cars on the street
we think we understand thank you so much for coming mr. Clerk
of an ordinance to amend table three point six point eleven of the Norfolk
zoning ordinance so as to allow short-term rental unit vacation rental
as a use permitted by conditional use permit in their West Freemason historic
and cultural conservation districts dispense with the Charter requirement
for reading the ordinance twice that adopted the effective date mrs. Doyle
hi mrs. graves mrs. Johnson hi this is McClellan I just want to thank you
gentlemen for coming down here and once this passes I hope that you get your
business license you enroll in the opportunity to pay our
local lodging taxes of 8% yes thank you very much and we are going to be looking
holistically at the program and looking at parking throughout the city as well
so thank you I vote aye thank you mr. Riddick all right mr. Smigiel hi mr.
Thomas aye dr. Alexander hi pH 3 public hearing 3 scheduled this day under the
state law on the application of Norfolk redevelopment and housing authority to
vacate the right-of-way of a 16 foot wide
lane alley east of the Colley Avenue between 4 to Front Street and witness
Avenue have an ordinance vacating a portion of an unnamed lane between
witness Avenue and Front Street dispense with the Charter requirement for reading
the ordinance twice and a dot with the effective date mrs. Doyle I mrs. graves
this is Johnson High is McClellan high mr. Riddick aye mr. smiegel high mr.
Thomas hi dr. Alexander high public hearing 4 scheduled this day under the
state law to hear comments on approving a purchase and development agreement
between the City of Norfolk as seller and Habra LLC as buyer for certain
parcels of real property and the improvements there one which parcels are
generally known and numbered as 25 17 and 26 13 Hampton Boulevard 1250 West
24th Street 1204 and 1207 West 26th Street and 1213 West 27th Street in the
City of Norfolk mr. clerk call the roll ivenn ordinance approving a purchase and
development agreement between the city of norfolk a seller and happer LLC
aspire for certain parcels of real property and the improvements there on
which parcels are generally known and numbered as 25:17 26 13 Hampton
Boulevard 1250 West 24th Street tow before in 1207 West 26th Street and 1213
West 27th Street in the City of Norfolk Virginia and authorizing the city
manager to execute the purchase and development agreement on behalf of the
City of Norfolk dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the
ordinance twice and adopt with the effective date mrs. Doyle hi
mrs. graves mrs. Johnson hi mrs. McClellan hi
mr. Riddick all right mr. Smigiel aye mr. Thomas hi dr. Alexander
mr. clerk the casino agenda including C 1 through C 14 will be voting the block
except C 8 remove C 8 from approve the consent agenda
C 18 CA c c HC through c 18 through 18 but thank you from the bloc approve the
consent agenda and dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the
ordinance is adopt twice the effective date c1 through C a keen with the
exception of C 8 mrs. Doyle so thank you mr. mayor for doing that it was at my
request that we pulled this C 8 and continued it generally the idea is to
the gentleman’s point who spoke earlier I think we have a good ordinance now for
our short-term vacation rentals I view it as version 1.0 and I think we need to
get to a 2.0 and that’s where we need to do some work and I know the
administration right now with planning legal and so on are all coming together
to say what can we do to improve our short-term rental ordinance so it’s more
friendly and accommodating to the owners and those who use them and so I know
we’re working on parking payment methodology getting Civic League
approval involved seeing what its what the conditions are surrounding
universities and we are adding more resources from a City point of view
because I think in planning we’re quite short now with the growth and the
development of short-term rentals in the city and we definitely need more
resources and planning to help with the administration monetary enforcement so I
just feel at this point it is smart to do this and just continue it generally
so thank you I vote in favor of that thank you mrs. graves mrs. Johnson I
miss McClellan aye mr. Riddick hi mr. Smigiel aye mr.
Thomas hi dr. Alexander all right motion is to continue c8 generally mrs. Doyle
hi mrs. graves mrs. Johnson hi mrs. McClellan hi mr. Riddick all right mr.
smiegel a procedural thing linear George Linney why is
is that more than a consent item and the other ones are regular agenda items just
curious yeah I think this is the point that that councilman woman Doyle was
making in terms of pulling this off so right now the process has been as mr.
Newcomb said that if there is an opposition then we provide counsel and
opportunity to vote on it individually in neighborhoods where it hasn’t been or
we’ve not experienced opposition and the Planning Commission was a unanimous in
favor we had moved that to the consent agenda and we’re sort of reviewing how
we want to handle these moving forward and as well as all the other ordinances
that may come around with from recommendations from staff on short-term
rentals but that’s why we did this this Councilwoman Doyle requested this this
evening do you ever foresee this reaching a point where this can just be
go through planning and never have to come before council miss Johnson so mr.
Newcomb with that said with c8 and I am an agreement that there is much work to
be done concerning short-term rentals and looking at the regular agenda one
through six well one through five are one through
five which all involve vacation rentals yes that would or would not require a vote
tonight based on c8 since we are looking into how we go about to address no we’ll
have to address each one of those are separate exactly because they’re on the
agenda the first one c8 I think you’ve made your your wife is well known on
that as you get to these if it is your intent to continue them we’ll have to
vote on those I understood thank you thank you mr. smiegel aye mr. Thomas aye dr. Alexander
aye mr. mayor can I just make a recommendation that moving forward any
conditional use permit whether sick so by the Planning Commission or not
opposed still come to us and not on consent but on a regular agenda item
until we really clean up the air BnB sand short-term rentals moving forward
so note it thank you thank you Miss Dahl you mean just for short-term rentals
because we get a lot conditional use permits correct yes Thank You mr. Clerk
art 101 is the new ordinance granting a conditional use permit to authorize a
short term rental unit vacation rental property located at 5000 won Killam
Avenue the Planning Commission recommends approval by four to vote okay
we have a Dale righter welcome followed by Sully Callahan my
name is Dale righter eight-to-four West 49th Street mr. mayor council thanks for
the opportunity to speak tonight I’ve been a resident in Highland Park for 40
years and president of the Civic League for 30-plus years I was here working
with city staff in 1990 to help stem the tide when investors started building and
renovating older homes into duplexes we succeeded in getting r1 zoning in the
neighborhood I was here in 2009 when the residents of Highland Park fought long
and hard to keep this particular property in r1 status we are willing to
fight hard to keep all remaining or1 properties and increase home owner
occupancy Highland Park is probably one of the most transient neighborhoods in
Norfolk this is neighborhood already in distress
due to transient its transient population we’re constantly dealing with
issues such as trash littering no sparking social disorder safety street
fights and with the residents fear of crime we’re witnessing crime and
shootings more recently about people outside the neighborhood most likely
because they can blend in with the crowd adding short-term rentals will
exasperate these issues with short-term rentals you take the neighbor out of
neighborhood at least with 12-month rentals we have a chance to get to know
our neighbors or at least recognizing adding these short-term rentals to the
mix would increase the density for these four homes from 16 to 40 with these
short-term rentals it opens a revolving door of potentially multitudes of people
in this pocket of the neighborhood this would place a commercial entity in the
single-family traditional zone it would be like putting many hotels in place
short-term rentals disrupting residential neighborhoods lower property
values and lead to decrease in long-term housing they have virtually no oversight
or accountability potentially creating a public safety issue if these conditional
use permits for short-term rentals are granted with the slight business
knowledge that I have I would think max maximum occupancy would be the goal mr.
Callahan stated the Planning Commission public hearing that his client is a
super host and screen’s who he rents to you I can’t imagine that there is a
waiting list for super guests to get into these units in Highland Park
therefore I feel these have the potential by mister hider or
another owner if he sells to rent two unknown guests which could turn into
some raucous events this could occur quite regularly
this means the residence nearby have to bear the brunt of the disturbance until
calls are made and police from it hopefully for shooting occurs mr.
Callaghan also stated to the Planning Commission that these places look nice
and a well-kept I agree they do look nice but shouldn’t all rental property
owners strive for this students deserve a nice place to live let’s keep these as
single-family traditional homes like they were built for I’m in favor of
responsible business growth with the right rules and policies in place this
is not the right time no absolutely not the right place this would be putting
economic impact over social impact which would be wrong for a stressed
neighborhood plan Norfolk 2030 strives for an increased percentage of relatives
residential units that are owner-occupied vision 2100 places this
in the yellow area of the city which focuses on adapting to rising waters in
Norfolk and supports proposals so that our actively they actively reduced
density in councils own vision statement it says that neighborhoods are designed
so that people all ages can know their neighbors and travel the streets and
sidewalks safely here the sense of community is strong thank you so much I
hope you will both know thank you Thank You mr. mayor members of council
my name is solid Callahan my addresses 327 Duke Street Norfolk 235 will know
I’m here representing lucky star I’ve listened to the conversations that
you’ve had before I’ve come up here to speak on our one two three and four and
I’m just going to address you now if I can on all four of them so I don’t come
back and repeat everything and I hope you’ll give me some leeway mr. mayor and
that first off mister hider opened these Airbnb s in July of 2018 if the
ordinance had been in place at that stage we would be standing here today
asking to renew our conditional use permit for another two years there have
been no complaints to the police the Old Dominion police the Norfolk Police there
have been no complaints by the neighborhood
there’s been no complaints by anyone their concerns is that things may happen
I gave you all a package and I have it here if you still
which shows next-door where and I know some of you don’t believe in the next
door but you know people complaining about shootings and other activities
that they’ve complained about but that has not taken place in this location
this locations that are there are being used by students families who come to
visit them people that are coming off of ships we have people going to the MEAC
tournament we have people already registered to go to graduation at Old
Dominion we’ve got events coming up in boxing in
the in the near future we had a lot of events in Norfolk that people are going
to use these air B&B EES we meet all the requirements of the air B&B
we have the parking we have the space you have seen how nice these places are
they’re very well-appointed and they will be a credit to the city we can pay
the tax it needs to be paid I made inquiry of the Commissioner of
the revenue and the treasurer about trying to put something in place and
there’s no vehicle to put it in place until we had the blessing of the council
the the the issue in Highland Park is there is a lot of rental houses and you
don’t have a lot of owner-occupied houses when the Planning Commission sent
out their notice they sent it to 47 people that live within 300 feet of this
property of those over 80% resided at the beach or someplace else they don’t
live in that area and so what we have is 11 people who are members of the Civic
League who come forward and they they say no we don’t want to have this
because all these terrible things to take place but they have not taken place
and so what is taking place is that we’ve been a good neighbor we’ve done
what we were supposed to do we’ve kept the properties up in a nice fashion I
gave you a literature and hopefully you looked at it about being a super host
he’s got a lot of reviews on how well the place is maintained and managed we
have other individuals here that come by and maintain it to make sure that it’s
done let me you have other res who want to speak and we’ll have you
back because you signed to speak to all four and you may want to save your time
because if you use it all up now you’re not coming back to speak that’s fair yes
thank you thank you all right all right so next on our line Thomas Jensen
followed by Joseph riles Thomas Jensen 750 West 52nd Street Norfolk Virginia
I’m here in support of the air B&B I think people have a right to be able to
do it they want with their property as long as they’re abiding by the laws if
there are problems there’s avenues set in place for people can call call the
police and I just mister hider takes care of his properties I’ve been to him
I’ve been in most of his properties and they’re all taken care of they’re clean
he’s a good guy and he takes pride in what he does and it’s just my opinion I
think that he should be allowed to do what he wants there and if there’s
problems there’s avenues to take care of that and so I just support allowing him
to do a Airbnb thank you thank you Joseph ryos followed by D Peter Joseph
Rios 4128 white bean court live in Virginia Beach I’ve been the property
manager of these properties for eight years I’ve not had any complaints the
people that come at the Airbnb is right now are coming from out of town either
for the college the kids are graduating people coming back from overseas or from
seif in the Navy which I did 23 years in in you know the
families come down to visit with them they don’t want to pay $3,000 for a
weekend they want to pay what a little price we can charge them to let them
have something of comfort just like their home okay and like I said as far
as the shootings and they’re talking about that’s not my people
those students further up the street that’s got none to do with us okay and I
I’m there almost there on a daily basis my Airbnb managers there on a daily
basis customer has a problem that give us a call we show up take care of
whatever needs to be done I mean we’d do the same thing for your families if your
families decide to come in town no yeah that’s basically what I could tell you
is about properties I mean we do maintain them they really sharp a lot
better than a lot of the homes around there a lot of people don’t care take
care of their stuff as well we take care of ours so they should you know if their
back porch before they start working on my home porch thank you so much I thank
you d followed by Ken Dominick good evening council mayor thank you for
hearing us this evening and I want to let you know my name is Dietrich Hyder I
live at 26:43 code-point place in Virginia Beach Virginia but I was born
and raised in this neighborhood born in Norfolk General Hospital went to
Larchmont Blair Mari and graduated from Old Dominion University in 1988 these
homes are owned by my ten and six year old daughters and I personally care for
them after developing and owning the properties for over 20 years I’ve
personally seen the impact of progress on this historical area these homes are
previously rented to students which presented challenges and inconsistencies
for community residents for example if there’s an issue of the student tenant
the process of eviction will take at least three months during this time the
home is often unkempt and created an eyesore for the other residents there’s
an increased likelihood of property damage and petty crime with student
rentals I’m working in service of my community through my investments I have
a vested interest in the condition of my property as a local business owner and
my reputation for doing the right thing there are pros and cons to every
business including property ownership in this situation there is no question that
maintaining the highest and is required of me as a super host is what is best
for the community I earn super host status
the record time of two months have maintained this status for almost two
years the Airbnb the designation of super house is only awarded after
scrutiny of quality standards and consisted in consistent positive reviews
by customers one single bad review results in a loss of super host status
designation meaning I never have a day off from meeting the highest quality of
standards in the past 20 months as a short-term rental property there have
been no police complaints or reports connected with any of my properties or
guests staying in my homes none there in 238 positive reviews encompassing
business visits by approximately 2,500 guests I completely understand that for
some of these property owners this issue is emotionally charged but rationally
there is no better path forward emotional or rational we are moving
forward and why not do it in a way that is safe and beneficial for the city as a
whole not only do I provide a service to our community by providing safe and
clean accommodations for visitors to our city this in turn brings revenue to
local businesses and restaurants guests visiting my homes on vacation have money
to spend arguably increasing tourism dollars more than the average college
student again I am seeking to continue to serve my community by providing safe
clean and comfortable accommodations for thousands including families of students
business convention attendees art festival vendors concert and sporting
event participants and most importantly the families of individuals serving our
country I’m honored that I’ve had the
opportunity to host families of men and women prior to and post-deployment so
they can give their loved one a home-cooked meal in a land-based bed as
they bid farewell or welcome to home from a six to nine month deployment a
vote for me is a vote to end the status quo and the status quo thank you thank
you so much sir before you come Dominica councillor McClellan wants to say hello
I have a question for you sir do you have a I don’t know if you had this off
the top of your head what your rental income was for the last 12 months on
this air bond that that the for Airbnb nobody does that’s sort of it but I’ll
pay the taxes on whatever comes in the future okay I was just I was just
curious what it involve arc but what the city would see as a result substantial
income has been lost by not having a permit in place at this time by the city
okay I don’t think the city can afford to lose any tax dollars and these are
free of charge thank you for doing nothing else
but please look at my pictures of the surrounding neighborhood and understand
that against my project is for a status quo and the status quo is not what I’m
looking for thank you sir and you will follow by
Adam thanks for this opportunity speaking for you my name is Kenneth
Dominique 693 George Washington which has a peak Virginia I’m the owner of
excellent service group the company that mr. Hyder employs to run his Airbnb s
along with the property manager mr. Rios include that in itself tells you that he
cares about what goes on in his neighborhood to hire an outside entity
to take care of it what the opposition won’t tell you is yeah that shooting was
happening down the street but um I was out there from 2:00 to 7:00 in the
morning to that police car cleared all of our properties have video
surveillance on the outside something happens I’m glued to this phone all the
time motion sensor goes off I’m on this phone making sure that this investment
is taken care of he cares about what goes on this neighborhood we’ve had the
privilege of hosting 65 wedding parties since being in business some of our
corporate clients include go puff who were just recently set up a hub on
Monticello Home Depot corporate out of Atlanta the parent company of spirit of
Norfolk they’re actually staying with us right now for leave thirty six three and
a half months this is their their return visitors and they’re planning on booking
next year we are not against we we won’t short we won’t long-term rentals I mean
be honest that makes me that makes that man smile we just don’t like the
opportunity we just don’t like the idea of you guys completely shutting down
belong to the short-term rentals we have to fill in the gaps but I will take a
30-60-90 day rental over a short term rental
our properties are the best around there they’re they’re beautiful I mean believe
me I know I’ve cut that grass long with my staff
we my staff cleans that brought those properties my staff is out there with me
sometimes in the morning to make sure those properties are safe I’ve got I’ve
conversate it with our neighbors I have agreements with our local neighbors
something happens my phone blows up ken did you know this was going on or we saw
some suspicious I’m there like as I’ve been running I’ve been in there maybe
business for about three years I’ve 12 years military law enforcement
experience so kind of know how to judge a threat yes there’s no hundred percent
vetting of an Airbnb guests but I can’t belong to six organizations that help me
identify our troubles and threats to those to those potential guests and they
go on the blackball list anything crazy goes on they’re out they break Airbnb
you roll I’m on the phone with their me and being you got to go gotta go right
now think rose opportunity to speak before
you and please pass this thank you thank you good evening I’m Adam Belen one
three five three buckingham Avenue in Norfolk Virginia so thank you mr. Hardy
for your passionate advocacy for your position and for your hey the staffs
time here to also to abdicate I’m here to ask you to oppose this ordinances
because you City Council have hindsight available to you right now
we know that these Airbnb Eze are commonly known cropped up all over the
country they are appropriate in certain areas they’ve become inappropriate in
certain areas some counties have instituted percentage limitations for
these types and have demonstrated the negative impacts that the short-term
rentals gonna have Highland Park is a single-family neighborhood even with all
of its rough spots and warts that’s exactly what it is and that’s what a lot
of Norfolk is was stated earlier the city is not quite
prepared to do this rigorous screening is required rules and policies set forth
for the short-term rentals are somewhat ambiguous in arbitrary and we know that
the city attorney and staff has worked hard on these ordinances but some of
others across the country and we’re seeing those and using those in the news
and even locally backpedaling on these policies I believe there’s a comment by
mr. Fraley that we’ve got to get our heads wrapped around this thing so I
urge you to take that time by opposing these ordinances to get your the
collective head wrapped around this we do support responsible growth with
pragmatic moves using that information available to you and the help that you
have to make the best decision possible please do not focus just on the dollar
signs here this is a commercialization of a residential neighborhood and that
will fundamentally change the character this is a zoning change from Resident
commercial why do you value a long-term resident we all of us are the foundation
of this city and please help us keep it and improve that neighborhood let’s fix
it and fix it right we don’t like that status quo let’s
change it in the right way so please vote to oppose this ordinance I’m ready
to take any questions if you have any thank you so much sir thank you yes miss
graves would you like to get clarification what you have are there
were five houses built in this property they were intentionally built for rental
they have been used for student rental up to this time as they indicated I
think in 2018 they started doing vacation rental in the unit’s vacation
rental Airbnb short-term okay because he indicated they’ve got long-term stays
there now used on well we don’t know his we don’t
know his records right now what it sounded like when he went through the
list there are some people I think the spirit of Norfolk or others who may have
taken a longer term lease but the people in the in the space might be rotating
depending on who’s coming in or out so they can do that without a sort term
rental without a Airbnb well essentially if you rent a dwelling unit in Norfolk
and you’re doing it under 30 days you are not a single-family home anymore
okay we look at a single-family home as being rented monthly or you know for for
a length of period of time when you’re the term short term takes us right back
to something that’s rented for a weekend it’s rented for a week and it may be
that there are people that and I don’t know his business model but there may be
people that have taken a month or two or three month leases from him but they are
rotating different people who may be visiting the area or coming and going I
seemed to hear a little that nah I’ve heard that when I was talking I just
want to get some clarity on to make sure I was understanding what I was hearing
because it kind of sounded to me it sounded a little all over the place so I
understand um let me just clarify if this property were to be rented 31 days
that would not require a property owner to be on call it would not require taxes
to be paid it would not require it to be listed with the city is that correct it
would be allowed as a as a basic rental and you’re correct the rules that we
have put into place for short term rental would not apply sure so I mean
understanding the Civic leagues concerned that they want to have
property owners who live there and they don’t want to have rentals and a variety
of folks get that but the fact of the matter is
in that neighborhood I understand there’s a large Rippon Durance that are
currently rented to students correct and they could be rented at 30 or 60 or 90
days without any buy right and the property owners who rent to students do
they have to live do they they don’t have to they could be in Virginia Beach
they could be in California they could be anywhere
that is correct without any management on-site we look at occupancy the
property is either occupied by someone who owns it and lives there or by
someone who is renting the space so listen I think this is complicated to
Councilwoman Doyle’s point and we need to get to version 2.0 I would hate to if
we voted this down now the way this works it takes another year is that
correct before it could be considered again for a conditional use permit so is
it possible then under the spirit of what we’ve just done under c8 is to also
continue these four properties or any of the properties that are on the regular
agenda to be consistent until we have the rules in place is that possible no
question there you go if we consider our one two three four
to be continued to generally I and five to be continuously consistent with what
we said proceed is that a proper request and is it fits within our ability and
our authority to do yes is within your discretion could I just make a point
here mr. Meredith the c1 are one two three four or opposed by the Civic
League c8 had no position from the Civic League so there was no input from the
community that we were aware of so there is a difference between those two
all right so and this has already been continued to this evening
exactly this is never too much all right mr. Newcombe thank you for or
clarification I’m sorry thank you for the clarification thank you very much
sir yes sir stay close certainly we’ll call you again sir mr. mr. Clerk the
motion is to continue our one generally call the relative lock they want good
room with my want is there a reason why we want to continue these now yeah well
that was your no I didn’t recommend continuing I was I’m sorry I was that
was not mr. McCullen that was my that was my request but I was based on the
premise that we continued c8 because we were going to look at our rules more
generally and get to version 2.0 so I thought rather than make a decision
until we’re 2.0 I thought that was the I was just trying to be consistent that’s
all you know so I think the that what mr. McCullen mentioned that if it’s
voted down that generally we don’t allow these types of measures to come back for
a year and I think that’s what you were trying to avoid policy the public
process to change the would that change however if they do come out with 2.0
within the year that with new rules and regulations that they they can apply
forward you see AP under that it’s possible instrument on my request and
yes if it’s the will the council to go ahead and vote on it I just wanted to be
consistent with what I thought the other what we were going with those to me I
put this two separate see it was different than our one two three four so
a request to continuous withdrawing all right it’s perforce that was the last
speaker on r1 r1 is perforce mr. clerk call the roll
dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the ordinance and adopt RINO
tis twice an adoptive that the date mrs. Doyle no mrs. graves no this is Johnson
no mrs. McClellan so I was planning on voting no I really
was and I apologize I I heard from the Civic
League they were concerned but in hearing more tonight and understanding
the context of the neighborhood I can’t help but think this would be a positive
for the neighborhood we have neighborhoods like Freemason who
are asking to do this I attended the Ghent neighborhood League meeting last
week and they are moving in that direction as well and while I completely
appreciate the intent and the desire the neighborhood to improve itself and to
become safer and to become better kept and maintain what I heard tonight was
this is actually doing that so I vote in favor I know that’s probably not gonna
mean anything tonight but I appreciate you all coming down here yes thank you
mr. Riddick all right mr. Smigiel I’m actually really torn on this issue
because I was adamantly against Airbnb is when this was first presented to
council and then they’ve kind of won me over overtime as I’ve learned more about
how it works and also the opportunity to be able to collect taxes on it and in
oceanview in particular we have seen these really popping up mainly because
there’s no hotels down in ocean view and it’s in its provided opportunity for
people who are coming in to live you know to enjoy ocean view
hopefully eventually coming back and buying property there I the reason why
I’m torn about this is because I listening to you what was presented
tonight you guys have made a really valid case I was very happy to hear that
you have video surveillance that was I never saw that in any of the documents
that were given to me beforehand I’ve mentioned a gold standard when it comes
to Airbnb is I think Norfolk should adopt gold standards I’m where I’ve been
working with an Airbnb company down in ocean view that actually puts electronic
locks on their doors and they can turn them off with a button so that if there
is somebody partying or doing something they’re not supposed to they can shut
them out so they can’t get in there the you made some very valid arguments
Councilwoman my one other issue with this however it not to be I don’t want
to sound wishy-washy on this is that I said the neighborhood has to support it
for me to support these and unfortunately you guys have not won the
neighborhood over that that has been the one big thing is that if a neighborhood
wants these then they have to own and accept them and and then I would support
it and unfortunately they’re not supporting you guys and I would like for
this to come back to us I’m gonna vote against it because of the fact that
neighborhood is not supporting it but I would like them to have the opportunity
to come back if we are able to clean this up I think that you if we could
clean all this up I think more neighborhoods would want
this if they understood the value that it does actually bring to the area and
that opportunity so I’m hopeful you know it sounds like maybe there is an
opportunity for them to bring this back within a year if we were able to clean
this up and I would I would prefer that but I’m gonna vote against it yeah mr.
Thomas no no dr. Alexander our choose an ordinance granting a conditional use
permit to authorize a short term rental unit vacation rental property located at
5003 Killam Avenue and by a vote of four to two Planning Commission recommends
approval mr. Ryder do you want to make your same
comments or you want to you fine same same stage apiece okay mr. Callahan yes
sir mr. Jensen good sir all right just hater please yes
I’m followed by mr. RAL so you want to come again and mister Khin Dominic the city Civic League has painted us as
something less desirable than we really are
and I’d like to let you know that the status quo is not exactly what we’re
looking for we’re looking to improve the neighborhood we’re looking to improve
the city we’re looking to improve the tax base we’re looking to improve the
country there are 2 million super hosts in this world and they’re all working
hard on a daily basis to make sure their customers and their clients and their
guests are well taken care of well-behaved and respect the integrity
of the community they come to and is all protected by reviews my reviews of them
their reviews of me there’s no wishy-washy business about
this this is real this is the future a vote against this is a step backwards
a vote for this is a step into the future and Henry Ford was told the car
would never catch on Airbnb will catch on and we need to get on this train and
ride it there are extra revenue streams here for the city and I don’t know if
this city or any other city can refuse extra tax dollars especially with the
struggles we’re experiencing now with Norfolk Southern and walking out on us
the MacArthur mall is empty you got problems city taxes can be raised and
they can be used for beneficial purposes like helping teachers and policemen and
firefighters and this is a step in the right direction and those are revenues
that are badly needed and can be provided and I’m more than willing to do
it is there any you probably rent the Civic League or have heard from them is
are there any sticking points with the Civic League that maybe this could
continue to be worked out between the two parties are they just that adamant
against any short-term rentals they’re adamant against short-term rentals and
ice ablated late as a late last week there were discussions between I believe
your attorney and the Civic League and the Civic League still said no to even
society we’d run in the city are you guys running the city this is an
important aspect thank you so much we need to get more super hosts involved to
share your time has expired thank you for your comments
all right mr. Jose if you want it and followed by a Ken Dominic if you you
sign up to speak and Adam yes I basically have a question because I was
really confused what the difference is between the t8 the r1 if we’re both
wanting to do the same thing but they’re on a B and we’re over by the college
which like I said we take care of a lot of people coming from C we take care of
the graduations stuff like that t8 is just vacationers right is this what
we’re talking about do you understand my question
I do but so you mean for an answer you speak on the on r2 of giving you the
three minutes to speak sir oh okay well I’m just you know like I said we’re
there every day we take care of people like you said we do have videos were on
phones all the time as for the first gentleman spoke against it
he lives quite a ways down 14 extra so he doesn’t he’s not even close to where
our properties are in visual is visually but I would have to agree no is bad for
the city I mean we’re stolen the property we’re
still rent you know it’s up to you guys whether you want to collect an AK we
collect rent and not do taxes but we’d rather share our monies with you guys
that’s all I have thank you so much thank you do I get an answer
thank you to my buddy Johnson I think the gentleman was referring to c8 and my
correct service c8 we were the ones being held over and the other ones not
that’s what I was talking about but you were referring to c8 and my correct sir
yes you want it to know the difference between c8 and RL all of the are one
through five items is that correct sir mr. mayor
that’s that was his question sir if you see mr. Newcombe after your three
minutes you’ll be more than happy to explain to you the difference between R
1 R 2 and so forth NCH mr. Newcombe okay thank you you welcome sir
alright Ken thank you again two points I employ ten employees
Norfolk residents that serviced these properties and I pay taxes and so kind
of just wiped that out by I see the trend where this is going
secondly I’m looking at that map and it’s like Pacific Lee the communities
against it but most of our neighbors are college
students and their parents who pay the tuition who come and stay on our
properties so I just want to make at that point thank you thank you Adam if
you would like to come again sir evening he and I didn’t mention before
I’m secretary the Highland Park Civic League and my address is in Norfolk so
we we are not to Victorians very much to your point mr. samito we are not asking
for this so just as that has been stated very clearly and this is as we feel not
a tourist area and thereby not exactly appropriate and I said before some areas
may be appropriate we feel this area is not we are a single family zoned
neighborhood that’s how the zoning went through that’s what they’ve long term
plans for the city have and that’s what we’d like to abide by
we have supported as a Civic League responsible growth along our Colley
Avenue commercially commercially zoned corridor elation coach house Legrand
picks a few of others Kogan’s so there are lots of opportunities for
commercial growth and commercial development so we but we choose very
pragmatic and and as we feel a responsible business growth and business
development plan we do urge caution for you when dealing with disruptive
technologies and concepts this is one of those it is a disruptor we get that it
is something else it is something new it’s a new way of doing it but again you
have the experience of many other localities that are dealing and
grappling with this same issue so getting your heads wrapped around this
problem getting the information is a great way forward so and I will say I
said don’t focus on the money I cannot waive a knowing good-morning to
an increased revenue stream thank you thank you all right mister the Charter
requirement for reading the ordinance twice and adopt with the effective date
mrs. Doyle no but I also want to make clear the difference between CA there is
no difference between c8 and our – they’re both vacation rental ordinance
opportunities the difference though is c8 has no input from the Civic League
there’s no knowledge of the neighborhood of what their intent is as it relates to
these short-term rentals and there’s never been a Cu P approved in the
Larchmont area so that’s why I wanted to remove that from consent and continue
that generally this does now have input our one through four from the Civic
League and the neighborhood’s that’s one of the things we need to
clean up in the ordinance is to require the Civic League to either approve or
not the applications that are before us because at this point we’re not aware of
whether or not some of these Civic leagues are in favor or not or the
neighborhoods are in favor of not so that is the distinction between c8 and
our one two three four I vote no thank you mrs. graves I think that oftentimes
what we do some as councilmembers well we have opposing parties as we offer to
act as referees whether it’s in a Civic League meaning whether it’s over coffee
at a coffee shop and we try our very best to bring all the parties together
if they’re on opposing sides we’ve got two opposing sides here and I think that
you guys run a great business from all that you have shown us the community has
had bad experiences and their residential area and so you know maybe
instead of having a lawyer talk to the Civic League and you know I
don’t have anything against mr. Sully but
maybe instead of having your lawyer talk to the Civic League maybe sitting down
with them over a cup of coffee or with the president over a cup of coffee and
talking to him and telling them talking to this Civic League President and some
of the members of the Executive Board and sharing with them the things that
you all have shared with us and how open you are how approachable your staff is
and all the things that you’re doing to ensure that their residential
neighborhood is not disruptive I’m not going to tell you it’s gonna work but I
think it’s a step in the right direction to try to take some of the legal
mumbo-jumbo out of it which kind of MUX it up oftentimes and puts personalities
and puts real individuals back together in it we are gonna have to figure out
what to do with short-term rentals in neighborhoods it’s a tough one but this
one does have input from the Civic League and to be quite honest with you
they hardly ever complain about anything they’re very open and they’re very open
to new business and new ideas and and so it’s really hard to say you know that
they’re being obstructionists because they want their residential neighborhood
to stay residents I vote no thank you mrs. Johnson I wish that somehow the
Civic League and the owners of the property could have at least talked to
each other that’s really important to me and I’ve spent a great deal of time I
talked to the lawyer I drill I’m gonna be very honest with you and he answered
all my questions I talked to council woman Dole and I
also spent almost 45 minutes on the phone with my Director of Planning these
short-term rentals are it’s it’s very difficult for the city for us to to deal
with because there are some missing pieces to the puzzle but the the community that it belongs to
you along with the owner of the property your and some how connected whether you
live there or you don’t you have property and in that community I can
only say that on behalf of the the city that somehow we we work harder to get
this this right because we’re missing out on a lot of things it’s not just
about money it’s about people but because the the community and the
business owner I want to to say thank you but I vote aye I mean no please
mrs. McClellan well I’m gonna be consistent here but I want to cite we
went to the ODU economic luncheon about a month or so ago and one of the topics
was was tourism and and how that impacted our economy and the economists
explained that the tourism growth is probably not going to come so much from
hotel nights but from Airbnb and short-term rental stays this is here we
have over 630 currently operating in some form or fashion in Norfolk although
less than 10% of actually registered with the city I tried to do some
research as well to understand what’s happening in other communities in the
state I reached out to the city of Alexandria which is currently is getting
taxed their guests are being taxed on those properties and it’s being
submitted to the locality and last year they had four hundred and thirty six
thousand dollars in tax revenues that they received they anticipate over half
a million this year Alexandria is a city half of our size I would assume that
though because of its proximity to DC it probably has more in proportion of short
term rentals but it’s real money and I know it’s more than money and I
appreciate that mr. Ryder and you a great Civic League President and
Highland Park is a great area and I share my colleagues
concern that there’s not an opportunity to come together and come up with a
solution here because I do believe the community needs to support this too but
I from everything that I’ve seen you’re doing very good things and have a really
neat property meet as in tidy and and I just think that the contrast with the
student rentals is just that’s I have a son who’s in college and you rent a
house they don’t take good care of those houses so at any rate I vote aye mr.
Riddick aye mr. Smigiel no mr. Thomas yeah dr. Alexander no are three or three
send ordinance granting conditional use permit to authorize a short term rental
unit vacation rental on property located at five thousand seven killed him you
and the Planning Commission recommends approval by six zero vote mr. Ryder do
you want to know sir all right mr. Callaghan I’ve heard what the council
has said on the first two items and I’m sure the last two items are going to be
just the same and I thank you for considering this you know it concerns me
in one respect that that if we’re going to have a model that somebody’s going to
have to follow then the first step if I understand mr. smiegel correctly is we
need to have the Civic League take a vote as soon as they vote no then we
know that there’s no reason to come here and spend a thousand eighty dollars per
property to have everybody vote no because the Civic League voted no and so
that’s an issue and so I think you need to if you’re going to look at and that’s
going to be the gold standard and that’s how we’re gonna go then we need to you
know then people need to know that yeah in order to do this he’d take over Civic
League and then you get your own people you grab the vote you take over the
Civic League then you can make anything you want happen in your neighborhood
that’s the way we’re going I don’t think that’s necessarily right I think you
you’ve got if this is not one of the nicest Airbnb E’s and Norfolk show me
one that’s not sir there’s not and I think we’re
throwing thousands and thousands of dollars away here by not collecting the
taxes that we could get I understand what the civic leader said to say the
business district was in support of it because it means business for them to
walk up to Connally Avenue and eat at their restaurants and so I just think
when you when you look at it I think that we really are missing an
opportunity here I understand what you’re saying and I appreciate that so
I’ll just leave it at that thank you thank you mr. Jensen all right
mr. Hayter you let the opposition win who live in Larchmont not in Highland
Park then you’re gonna see more tarps on Reed’s that last for three years you’re
gonna see more furniture on the curb that doesn’t get collected you’re gonna
see more furniture on the curb that doesn’t get collected dissolves adjacent
to my property in go see houses that don’t get the shrubs cut their grass cut
or their maintenance done okay that’s the standard of Highland Park it’s 80%
non-owner occupied that’s not a strong owner-occupied neighborhood the
Secretary of the Highland Park Civic League is a resident of Larchmont I mean
nobody’s doing here but I’m here to maintain my property
maintain the future of Highland Park and maintain the future of this city and I
would appreciate a vote in order behalf because this is not what we want this is
the standard and this is what we’re fighting against thank you
mr. Joseph mr. Ken Dominic mr. smiegel you stated earlier that uh you know well
some of you members stayed over that what’s the standard or or version 2.2
you guys want to do I mean I’m good at my job and we’re the standard I mean for
properties all at once I mean and you saw you saw the pictures of what we deal
with it comes to the point where my staff goes across the street to pick up
trash until you know these absentee landlords properties across the street
they got a rule they know that they go pick up trash we take other neighbors
trash cans out to the street you know and we pick up glass off the street and
but you’re trying to figure out what version version two is I think we’re
kind of eight or we’re good somewhere to start or instead of shooting us down and
penalizing us for a whole nother year I mean how you gonna figure out how are
you gonna figure out version two when you just shot now in the best game going
into town and weird Adam Adam Thank You counsel and I am a proud
member of the Highland Park Civic League as I do have a long term rental on 49th
Street and we have had other landlords on our Civic League in the past and it
has worked wonderfully in order to raise those overall standards I do again
encourage you to pause and find those missing pieces and I do hope that there
is miss graves if there is a middle ground for us so that we can move
forward and with your help and the city’s help I think we can find that and
we can move in a good direction together that is mutually beneficial but we need
to first put into place what is needed before this this is this is done in a
revenue stream of saying extra 436 K I’m not sure that’s gonna be the end-all
be-all of things or if it’s a start but that’s you know that is a number
relatively small for relatively large city and a relatively large budget and I
will say that council does not always follow us that experiences with that
where we’ve we’ve had to go off and we’ve had to fight a little bit harder
had to be heard or we’ve been overruled and that’s that’s okay you guys have
those seats and and we sit where we are from our from our vantage point we all
have to mesh those viewpoints and it would be great if more people move to
Highland Park and our own businesses there and own that property and became
part of that Civic League that would be fantastic we would we would encourage
people to do that because we want to hear those voices thank you dispense with the Charter requirement
for reading the ordinance and adopt with the effective date mrs. Doyle no mrs.
graves mrs. Johnson no mrs. McClellan the Planning
Commission bed at six point oh six point oh six to zero in favor of this is that
correct I vote yes mr. Riddick yeah mr. Smigiel no mr. Thomas yeah dr. Alexander
yeah r4 perforce an ordinance granting a conditional use permit to authorize a
short term rental unit vacation a little property located at 5,000 on
him Evan ooh and by a vote of six zero Planning Commission recommends approval
mr. Ryder good all right mr. Callahan yes sir mr. Jensen good all right mr.
Hyder you’re gonna have a hard time getting anybody else to step up here and
do this because this is beyond absurd we need to make this easy we need to grease
the skids we need to make this so it’s available to every property owner in any
neighborhood in this city this is a $436,000 opportunity you’re throwing
away I don’t understand that I don’t agree with it I don’t think it’s
right that the Civic League overrides the Planning Commission ever
I think the Planning Commission should ride should ride shotgun on this deal
and you should follow their votes but you’re running the city and it’s all
yours but uh I see problems and this could help fix them thank you thank you
Joe surprise mr. king Dominic mr. Lyne all right mr. clerk dispense with the
Charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice and adopt with the
effective date mrs. Doyle no this is great this is Johnson no this
is McLellan hi mr. Riddick aye mr. smiegel mr. Newcombe
if this were to come back before council in a year would the property owner’s be
required to pay the same fees again so yes I believe in the past we as a
council have in situations like this I think we’ve determined that there’s an
opportunity not the refund the money but that if this were they come back before
that the charges that they’ve already paid I mean cuz each one of these was a
thousand $80 and I’m we’ve it’s been rare but we’ve
done this where there is some confusion not convinced a confusion where there
are some things that need to be cleaned up you know with the process and I just
feel like this would be one of those examples that we may need to consider
that we can certainly give notes an administrative thing but I think that
the amount of money that’s been paid towards this to be defeated I mean there
are always it’s a gamble it’s a risk but I think the Civic League thing is always
tricky guys that you don’t live in Norfolk but in Norfolk Civic leagues are
the foundation of this this government this is what we we’ve been doing I’ve
been on council ten years we have almost a hundred percent have gone with what
civic leagues have asked us to do that’s that’s where the democratic process
starts in Norfolk so but I think in this case you know it’s something to consider
down the road you know mr. Thomas yeah dr. Alexander 5:05 is an ordinance
granting a conditional use permit to authorize a short-term rental vacation
Reynold Wehling unit on property located at 1805 Avenue and the Planning
Commission recommends approval by six one vote support call the roll
dispense with the Charter requirement for reading or Donets twice on a dot
with the effective date mrs. Doyle no mrs. graves and they decline to win so
any a win I don’t know thank you mrs. Johnson um
for this again my research doing my research and I’m gonna vote no mrs.
McClellan councilman graves just to come I’m just
to clarify so the they did not take any opposition or her support support but
they were neutral I vote yes mr. Riddick at mr. smiegel just I heard
coming in today that the property owner moved the sign announcing the public
hearing they did so it wasn’t posted in front of the property Newcomb just a
home word I both it’s me what happened was the the applicant chose to take the
sign down from where it had been originally posted and it was posted in
front of the property but it was supposed to back on the property in
front of the foundation plantings on to the left side of the house so wasn’t in
public where we normally put it on a telephone pole or we stake it on the
front yeah I mean I mean I think technically the ordinance says it’s
posted on the property we frequently if there’s a utility pole there that’s
convenient we’ll put it right on the utility pole so it’s it’s were the
letter sent to the surrounding area as well and did we receive any comments
back from any of the letters this one had a number of people opposing it at
the Planning Commission meeting oh I didn’t I didn’t hear that piece of the
puzzle sorry that’s what I was looking for okay
oh said come tonight thank you yeah we’ve discussed this a lot I don’t know
if we need a task force or mm-hmm some small committee or something they
committee I mean it is it’s a big issue I mean we’re dealing with it we talked
about all time and VML you know across the state you know it’s it’s a something
that’s impacting all localities and it’s something that we really need to get
here I’m more concerned about taxes not being collected like they’re supposed to
but I don’t know maybe we need to talk about this further no mr. Thomas no dr.
Alexander no our six our six is an ordinance granting
conditional use permits to authorize the operation of the commercial recreation
center operating after midnight with live entertainment named for 16
Aphrodite be located at 200 East plume Street and the Planning Commission
recommends approval by 5:00 to vote and also recommendation of a 24 month sunset
clause here Romero see you yes hello everyone my name is Jerome hereo
I’m the owner of four one six Aphrodite the concept behind it was to have a
family gaming experience with the space what we were going through our permit
process we had a lot of you know information as to what not to do
since the address is 200 East plume Street I think it used to be the palace
one poem since going through the process we’ve had a lot of kickback from the
owner of the building we’re at a space now where we’re actually locked out of
the space because he didn’t provide us with the key at a sense of I guess
trying to create separation between what was and what is we asked him not to you
know post or promote the things that we were doing for our space and I think you
know by us kind of taking that approach he’s kind of made it a little bit
difficult for us so we’re trying to see if maybe we can get our process may be
continued so we can try to work out maybe some type of arrangement with him
because I do think the concept is good for the City of Norfolk to have a space
where kids can you know play games upstairs parents can interact downstairs
our first event we fed the homeless for Thanksgiving for MLK Day we had it set
so parents can bring their kids to the space so they didn’t have to take off
work to be with you know their kids so I do think the concept works I just think
that you know maybe we need a little bit of assistance with actually getting our
landlord on board we have Xbox one consoles we have Nintendo switches that
are prepared to be installed after you know we get our permit downstairs it’s a
normal restaurant so you know parents can interact you know with their spouses
and kids can play and eat upstairs we had activities for like sip and paints
you know fashion shows live entertainment was kind of what we
were anticipating doing after we actually received our permit you know with your landlord and you have a lease
in place you probably need to consult with a lawyer yes
given your comments I would recommend perhaps that we continue this for 60
days given your request to continue yes so that you can work out the challenges
that you’re facing so that we’re not voting yes or no
until that time mr. bulb motion is to continue 60 days of generally continue
for 60 days okay yes I’ve been paying originally
according to our lease we didn’t have to pay rent until we got our permit all
right the landlord told us if that was the case then we couldn’t utilize the
space until we got our permit so since we were approved by ABC and I think the
food and safety to allow us to occupy it as a restaurant only we agreed to pay 50
percent of the rent until we received our permit which we have done he did
give us some you know additional bills that looked you know a little
interesting I brought one that process works
so between generally in 60 days if we did it generally then if you got things
straight than 30 days you can come back so I modified my recommendation yes yes so there is not an advertising
to be concerned with mr. Riddick’s point is correct
I generally thank you sir motion is to consider mr. clerk call the roll
mrs. Doyle all right mrs. graves mrs. Johnson
hi mr. McClelland hi mr. Riddick uh mr. Smith I mr. Thomas hi dr. Alexander are
seven our seventh is an ordinance approving a cruise ship operating
agreement by in between the City of Norfolk and carnival license Holdings
Limited doing business as Carnival Cruise Line and authorizing the city
manager to execute the cruise ship operating agreement on behalf of the
City of Norfolk dispense with the Charter requirement
for reading the ordinance twice and adopt with the effective date mrs. Doyle
hi mrs. graves this is Johnson hi miss McClellan hi
mr. Riddick mr. Smigiel hi mr. Thomas dr. Alexandra all right r8 is an
ordinance accepting appropriating and authorizing the expenditure of the sum
of 1,500,000 from the Hampton Roads Sanitation District and payment of its
share of cost for the Chesterfield Heights sanitary sewer facilities
dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice and
adopt with the effective date mrs. Doyle aye mrs. graves miss Johnson I miss
McClellan aye mr. Riddick mr. smiegel aye mr.
Thomas aye dr. Alexander or nine or nine as an ordinance approving a first
amendment to purchase and develop agreement by in between the City of
Norfolk a seller and DT Builders LLC as developer for certain parcels of real
property and the improvements there on which parcels are generally known and
numbered as 1298 thirteen hundred and thirty no two East Indian River Road 903
ten oh five ten fifteen to seventeen ten twenty one ten twenty three to twenty
five and ten forty one Wilson Road in the City of Norfolk Virginia and
authorizing the city manager to execute the first amendment to purchase and
develop agreement on behalf of the City of Norfolk dispense with the
Charter requirement for reading the ordinance and adopt if the effective
date mrs. Doyle mrs. graves mrs. Johnson hi mrs. McClellan hi
mr. Riddick aye mr. smiegel hi mr. Thomas aye
dr. Alexander are 10 are 10 is the resolution to initiate the process of
vacating the public rights-of-way being certain portions of Fenchurch Street
posey Lane Charlotte Street and Chapel Street adopt the resolution
mrs. Doyle hi mrs. graves this is Johnson hi mrs. McClellan hi mr.
Riddick hey mr. Smigiel mr. Thomas hi dr. Alexander are 11 is an ordinance
granting a license to CP logistics Chesapeake LLC for the use of certain
property located at the corner of Portsmouth Boulevard and Jolliffe Road
in the city of Chesapeake and authorizing the city manager to enter
into a license agreement on behalf of the city
dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice and
adopt with the effective date mrs. Doyle aye mrs. graves miss Johnson hi mrs.
McClellan hi mr. Riddick mr. Smigiel aye mr. Thomas
dr. Alexander are 12 our 12 is an ordinance authorizing the project
administration agreement with the Virginia Department of Transportation
for the design installation of retro reflective backplate improvements
appropriating and authorizing the expenditure of an amount up to eight
hundred thirty six thousand seven hundred eighteen dollars for the project
dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice and add
up with the effective date mrs. Doyle hi this is Grace mrs. Johnson hi mrs.
McClellan hi mr. Riddick all right mr. Smigiel my mr.
Thomas hi dr. Alexander our thirteen is an ordinance to amend and reordain
subsection C of section 42 – 18 so is to correct the calculation of permit fees
dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the ordinance twice and a
dot with the effective date this is Doyle
hi mrs. graves mrs. Johnson hi miss McClellan hi mr. Riddick all right mr.
Smigiel hi mr. Thomas hi dr. Alexandra are 14 or 14 is an ordinance to amend
and reordain sex 25 – to 77.1 the norfolk city code 1979
so as to require vehicles to display a valid state license and inspection for
parking in a public space dispense with the Charter requirement for reading the
ordinance twice and adopt but the effective date mrs. Doyle mrs. graves
mrs. Johnson hi miss McClellan this is for folks who
want to park their car on city streets and don’t have an inspection or a
license plate you can’t do that folks I vote aye mr. Riddick no mr. Smigiel
and this came up because people actually put their car covers over it and cover
up that they’re not paying for that so now that changes that so I yeah
mr. Thomas hi dr. Alexander hi all right 15 our 15 is an ordinance to amend and
reordain sections 25.2 now 60 25.2 – 65 and 25.2 – 115 on the norfolk city code
1979 so as to add one new subsection B to authorize the director of Recreation
parks and open space to designate park opening hours dispense with the Charter
requirement for reading the ordinance twice and adopt with the effective date
mrs. Doyle hi mrs. graves mrs. Johnson hi miss McClellan hi mr. Riddick all
right mr. Smigiel mr. Thomas dr. Alexander
all right anything else mr. yes sir since our 16 our 17 were placeholders
and we have moved that to the next meeting we will not little news tonight
but I do have one additional add-on one which is to approve the mace and Police
honor guard for the 2020 st. Patrick’s Day parade and I just need proof of this
mrs. Doyle hi mrs. graves we’re doing Lyme scooters hi
mr. Riddick aye mr. Smigiel con hats right Martin’s gonna be in his green –
right in the lime scooter aye mr. Thomas dr. Alexander and that’s all
ahead all right a new business when your name is called please come to the podium
state your name your address please limit your comments to three minutes who
will start with Ray Ron White rate Ron will be followed by
Jerome peril if he’s still here good afternoon
their little owner and see the council first of all I could thank you all for
coming to grandi village our doors are always open for the greatest people in
this panel we we enjoyed you or City Council retreat so anytime you want to
come back you got my vote second of all on the agenda we their
kids are moving in our neighborhood and there was a problem I don’t know who I’d
direct us to and I came to you all you all need the problem solved
there are kids in the age of 16 to 17 there they’re in school and just the
Norfolk public schools are not letting them go to school because they’re they
don’t have the credit to being a 10th or 11th grade so they ask them to get their
GED there we have about three or four kids in our neighborhood that their
parents are tick them to the school because of they’re not in the the right
grade but they have been if they’re in the right grade but don’t have the right
credits for the grade there ask them to go get their GED there now let them in
school for kids in our neighborhood had not been school all year long
and they have they just told them to tell them to do a GED assessment test
they have the codes to get the assessments test they won’t get the kids
assessment says to take that so they can find where they’re at in their GED so we
have new residents are coming so I’ve had about three or four people in my
office for the last two weeks send the kids have not been in school all year
because they don’t have the assessment to the code for GED and they cannot go
to any other school I think that’s kind of wrong their kids are 16 17 if they’re
longer in school and the kids I want to go to school while we can’t now not to
go to school get some education there the word was that they’re saying because
they won’t finish in time enough when I was in school we have people in school
20 and 21 they were going to night school but we always had kids to go to
school so where we’re standing now when kids are telling them they not become
school to get their GED and some of them came and get the cheating because they
don’t have the code so I don’t know this is a 70 for the school system
or somewhere to see the counseling but I’ll make sure you all heard this first
because I heard we have a new superintendent and I don’t know if she
knows this but we have a lot of kids and I can bring them all next time the other
council let you all let him speak on the behalf of this thank you we will support
your so that’s something I can go with a school board that’s why I make sure I’m
in the right place okay yes so I could tell I was talk to you all first and I
go mr. Smigiel the principal he knows more about the education policy but
there’s a compulsory age where students were juveniles students if you will who
are school age by law we must provide them an education unless the court has
deemed otherwise and so 16cm theirs if they’re looking for program the MTC
they have a program for students that are behind on their credits to catch up
and it’s virtual they’re doing it virtually so it’s an online program that
they they can enroll in and I think that’s why there’s what they’re having
to enroll they don’t have a poster gave them the code to do it and the council’s
are doing the principal did up the school I’ve talked to late tell the
principal she knew that was going on so she got one kid back in school because
of that so they’re giving them something to do but it can’t get into I get it I
could just tell you for accountability reasons because dropout counts against
every high school for accreditation that they’re gonna do everything they can to
keep those kids in school for as long as they can so there’s a disconnect somehow
with the information and how it’s being provided and I mean there’s there’s tons
of folks over on the school so I can’t speak on their behalf I just know from
my experience there are people that are over there there’s counselors that just
work with students at NTC to help them catch up so then where I can get that
number because we don’t have them people will find a way to get it thank you
right so where’s Katherine there she is yeah Katherine will take care of you mr.
white mister do you wanna say they must wait before you go see Katherine well in
addition just for the community to know recall when we were at our retreat or
for public libraries also has a gene program that they offer it’s so NRHA has
it too but they were saying that the kids have to get a code from the school
to say they can take the GED because some kids are not
we’re told that we’re not eligible for technically they’re not the age but
these kids are 15 16 17 right here tena can go scooting to get a
cold so they want to get the cold they can take it and go but they won’t put a
kid in a GED program until they are completely out of was a diploma program
for 21 years and older Jerome Harrell you still here no says Harold on this
paper but we’ll take you mr. bill you come on this issue no it’s not you but
this is plum but since you’re here would take you all right Thank You Mae I
appreciate that first of all my name is Jerome Bell my address is thirty fifty
three Clark Drive for Jinyan Beach Virginia and some some people know here
I’m running for Congress of the second District and I’m really the only
candidate there to come down to Norfolk that’s running for the second district
and speak to you because they don’t really care about the district because
the district primarily votes Democratic well I’m one of those candidates that
don’t forget for guiding communities I don’t take anyone for granted but
history proves that without without the right to bear arms that people are not
free and they live in fear you can just look around the world at that history of
America proves that unjust laws unjustly affect black Americans and vastly more
numbers than white Americans you can just look at the prison populations for
that history also proves that the first gun laws were against black men black
freedmen history proves that black men and families have been the target of
extreme laws surveillance and social engineering to destroy the black family
COINTELPRO as you all know well you should know
targeted Martin Luther King the Black Panthers and Malcolm X President
Johnson’s New Deal gave us welfare and that removed the
blue fathers out of the home Ronald Reagan’s
war on drugs crackdown on the crack epidemic across the country where black
men were arrested more than whites they had the same amount of cocaine his Bill
Clinton’s crime bill that Joe Biden wrote that Hillary Clinton famously
called black youth super predators put more
black people in prison than any president in history and now let us not
forget some of your dear friend or one of your dear friends Mike stop and frisk
let’s make Xerox copies of them let’s just hand them over to the police since
they are committing other crimes there’s more need to stop black people than
whites because he needs to save black people from themselves and we don’t know
how to act in the workplace so let’s just put all the police in the black
neighborhoods because that’s where the crime is Bloomberg who’s running for
president leaders then endorsed this kind of rhetoric are no better than the
person spewing it and felled the community make no mistake Bloomberg’s
money and Virginia paid to enact up-to-date black codes and red flag
loans that were target the black community and greater numbers just like
history has proven how about we focus on better schools
how about removing liquor stores from every corner in the black neighborhoods
how about creating jobs and showing our black people that in fact black lives do
matter by removing Planned Parenthood’s from
black neighborhoods and getting rid of the violence of abortion gun control
never works especially when you are the target and you’re the victim just ask
the people of Chicago thank you very much thank you the fallout as well as a broadly from
the Fraternal Order Police did even mr. mayor councilmembers city manager my
name’s Dave Lafleur I am the president of the I BPO Norfolk Police Union it’s
been a little while since I’ve been before you that speaks well because you
guys have done great things with pay plans in the past however I always said
that I would come back when we have some issues so I’ve got some information I’ll
try to put it out very quickly because I know we’re on a time and you’ve been
here a long time chief Boone and myself have been talking
for a couple years now with some of the critical needs of the police department
mostly when it comes to Manning and the issues that we have going on studies have shown over the past few
years a focus on recruitment recent studies showed that 67 percent
nationwide recruitment is down nationally when it comes to police
recruiting in law enforcement most recent studies coming out of September
2019 shows a focus on retention but new hires of police officers 62 to 69
percent of those police officers that join local police departments will leave
in the five years twenty nine percent of those officers will leave within 12
months we spent about 150,000 200,000 to train a police officer and we are
training them for other localities which brings me to what chief Boone and I have
come together and we’ve submitted back in September which is a brand new pay
plan and benefits package that will address the critical needs of the
department as of right now we have 78 vacancies when you add and modified Duty
admin people on military leave I have 123 officers that I do not have
on the street right now that is a whole precinct down
these are putting more efforts on the men and women that we have serve in your
community we have to come to the table and and and address this because
if we don’t a year from now we’re going to be talking about increased crime
rates we’re going to be talking about other needs and those are the things
that affect people wanting to come to this city to live bring their businesses
I’ve worked with chief Boone on this plan like I did the last pay plan which
y’all put together and and approved so I have history with y’all I know what the
needs are I know that it comes down to dollars and I certainly can bring that
to you on this plan this plan took a lot of research from other localities that
are not seeing the deficiencies that nationally were we’re no different than
the majority of all national however we have a great opportunity with this plan
that’s been presented to be the gold standard that’s a term that’s been used
a lot so I hope that we can come to the table
and talk before the budget gets approved thank you thank you Mary council I’ll be
talking about the same subject but a little bit different it my name is Brian
Lee I’m president of the Fraternal Order of Police here in Norfolk we not only
representing all the police officers we also represent Norfolk Sheriff’s Office
armed sheriff’s deputies as well as retirees and even some federal officers
it’s a known fact a struggle nationwide to recruit and retain personnel and
police and sheriff’s departments locally Norfolk competes with several other
largest cities to attract candidates once an officer deputy is certified
through an academy in Virginia they become eligible for lateral transfer to
many agencies within the state and even some out of state this means that
Norfolk can spend countless hours and dollars recruiting and training new
officers and deputies just for didn’t take a job elsewhere with another agency
Norfolk needs a highly competitive aggressive compensation plan that stands
above our surrounding departments a plan with competitive starting salary and the
ability to reach maximum salary quicker currently Norfolk Police Department is
approximately two thousand dollars below Chesapeake and three thousand dollars
both below Virginia Beach and starting salaries
at that rate it takes Norfolk’s officers three years of service on the street
before they even meet what those departments are getting right out of the
Academy it gets even worse with our Sheriff’s Office right now in our
Sheriff’s Office is six thousand dollars a blood a starting salary of Chesapeake
and Virginia Beach Chesapeake and Virginia Beach Sheriff’s Office recruits
in the Academy make the same as their police officers in the police academy I
couldn’t find any information on where the scale goes from there but they had
the same starting salary and it puts Norfolk six thousand dollars behind we
also represent our retirees with the Fraternal Order of Police right now but
they’re all in the City of Norfolk retirement system which has no annual
cost-of-living adjustments built-in there are many officers out there who’ve
been retired for 20 or 30 years and still currently receiving about the same
compensation they received a data retired okay that’s 30 years with the
same salary the closest thing we had to our retirement system here in Norfolk is
the Virginia Retirement System which has a built-in cost living allowance yearly
it varies I guess based on the index or whatever they use but over the last 40
years the Virginia Retirement System is provided in an average 2.9 year percent
increase for people under that retirement system tonight I’m asking the
council strongly consider an aggressive compensation plan for the upcoming
fiscal year budget for officers and deputies in the city
Norfolk deserves the best public safety personnel possible and they deserve a
competitive compensation for it I’m also asking the council strongly consider a
yearly cost living adjustment for our retirees beginning upcoming fiscal year
budget our retirees need and deserve a yearly cost living increase and I want
to thank all of you for your time tonight thank you Zachary followed by Daniel again and I
still don’t know what y’all doing and I haven’t heard from you so you gonna call
me you didn’t ever get in touch when you first took over and I’m very
disappointed I keep coming down here y’all pacified me I’m too old to be past
the back I need to be sad it’s bad at this point and the only thing going to
satisfy our community is a grocery store I’ve been going to the library I looked
up some literature about from I believe it was Jacksonville Florida where they
bought a grocery store in today community costs ig8 had given up and
moved out to cities so that’s the mayor whatnot they form their own little
grocery there and then I would like to know something about intimate domain
can’t we take over and y’all get in some kind of slush fund or something we are
starving over there it’s not funny we are really hungry I’ve lost weight since
I lived in Berkeley I’ve been there ten years too long I’m getting out I got to
go I cannot live like this there’s a little children on in there and the
neighborhood they don’t have no vegetables no fruit and it’s sad it is
really sad how could you leave your community like that this is your
community you live in your community up list it’s not my community I’m not from
Berkeley but I’m fighting for everybody over there cuz every time I catch the
bus down here it causes me tired and I’m fighting to go home out there now but I
got to be here to get my opinion I’m gonna come until I can’t
come no more so you might as well look upon me and I must still say the same
thing each and every time until you get tired of me you can lock the door oh
well I’m gonna say what I got to say y’all have a good evening I gotta catch
a bus there’s a tall gentleman in the back wait right here
he’s responsible for your gate he’s here today he would hear before oh yeah
that’s him you talk with him yet yeah my name is
Danny Lee again I reside at 38 44 dare circle I’m gonna clear up the last
business of 2019 so I can move into 2020 the next time around the last time I was
here we were taking a look at Paul Riddick
I kind of evaluated all of you because I’ve been coming here for 16 years for
longer than 10 and we were taking a look at Paul ready we established that he was
a black racist because he’s admitted so when this very council we admitted that
he was a bully because we’ve watched him bully
Tommy Smeagol and Angela graves and the third point I was gonna make was the
fact that he’s vulgar now I say this because before any of you got here there
was a citizen who would show up every week and there was a city manager Regina
Williams that was losing thousands and thousands of dollars and nobody could
explain where the money was going to and this individual would come up and bring
documentation and challenge it now he came up at one point and challenged inna
will Williams and at the end of the council meeting as he turned to leave
Paul Riddick bellowed out in this very chamber Danny you don’t know your
from a hole in the ground now Danny didn’t respond he was kind of shocked at
that and he looked up and again Paul Riddick said did you hear me Danny you
don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground now that’s kind of vulgar huh and
it’s kind of unacceptable but what worries me is not so much what Paul
Riddick did it’s the fact that the council members have the right to be
vulgar they have the right to be bullying they
have the right to be racist but they’re known there are no rules of conduct as
they are from me mr. Gein you cannot use vulgarity you cannot be violent you
cannot disrupt the orderly conduct but there are no rules or regulations for
any of you to conduct yourself thank you for having me this is my first time ever
speaking welcome thank you my name is Angela D Hart 1721 Eastbourne Drive
Virginia Beach I’m here today about the Second Amendment there’s no doubt we
have a violence problem in the United States gun control right I’m not
qualified to say what those causes are and there’s not time to discuss it
tonight right but definitely Ronald Reagan said it
best when he said government is not the solution to the problem it is the
problem this has always been true since the birth of civilization our founding
fathers drafted our Constitution because they lived during a time when tyrannical
government rule was a reality we don’t know that reality we’re fortunate
everyone in this room has lived benefited by their divinely inspired
idea that we now take for granted we live their dream their dream that we can
speak out we can question our government without retaliation we live that dream
that we can bear arms to defend ourselves and
our families against any force this Texas seeks to deprive us from our
god-given rights that includes a tyrannical government another got
tyrannical government or even our own worst case scenario thanks to our
Constitution we live with a sense of entitlement to life liberty and the
pursuit of happiness and we have an unshakable confidence that that
constitutional right will always be there and I’m grateful for it but we’ve
now become dangerously complacent we’ve forgotten how hellish life can be
without those constitutional freedoms we have forgotten the lessons that drove
our founding fathers to enshrine our constitutional rights and they tried to
teach us by enshrining these constitutional rights right now we’re
all like frogs in the boiling pot we’re warm
we’re comfy and all the while there are subversive forces steaming away our
constitutional rights with the country divided almost exactly down the middle
on almost every major issue we’re now at the point where everyone has to make a
stand to try to keep this republic or we face losing it Virginia Beach Chesapeake
and span Portsmouth the very founding cities of this great nation have taken a
stand for the Second Amendment and I would like to invite you all to do the
same with us thank you thank you call it by Bob Brown my name is Paul
Davis 120 kid Boulevard Norfolk Virginia 2/3 502 I’d like to speak with you but
I’ve been here four times already but I told you I wasn’t coming back till I
could have y’all under arrest this man right here that I would be back
when I had the evidence so wanted you to know we found the results remember the
petition of the corporation the petition my land but what that turned out to be
that you guys according to the FBI defrauded the federal government you’re
all being charged I filed tomorrow so you’re all looking at 27 years y’all
need good attorneys good attorneys mr. Pishko we mr. Fowle a pleasure to meet
you sir glad to have you here do wonderful things about you ever
promoting you from the president and you’re glad to have you unfortunately
these people you probably won’t be working with we’re charging them with
defrauding the federal government y’all have a nice day pop pop round followed by Brendan Looney I might cost you some money down the
road cuz I’m persistent is every one of you know I’m Bob Brown 85 oh seven
toward Street and I’m chairman of an offeror Republican Party I’m the founder
of the Norfolk second-amendment Preservation coalition and as you know
we have followed the Second Amendment preservation ordinance and we’re out
signatures and marina to you section one the City of Norfolk shall not exercise
any authority granted to it by title 15.2 of the code of virginia its charter
or otherwise to regulate or prohibit the purchase possession transfer ownership
carrying stores or transporting of firearms ammunition or components or a
combination thereof this prohibition includes any Authority existed at the
time of Ackman of the ordinance or any authority
extended in the future the terms used in assortments shall have the meaning
defined at Title 18 point 2 of the Code of Virginia section 2 if the City of
Norfolk designates any property including City Hall owned by there’s a
firearms free zone the City of Norfolk shall wave back sovereign immunity as it
relates to any energy sustained by persons lost lawfully present in such
firing arms it free zones you know all these people when coming to you asking
you to put a simple resolution on on the on the agenda and you could have done it
by now and I wouldn’t be standing up here we’re in this nice sweatshirt I have a lot of supporters I have 40
people out gather me signatures right now we’ve no rise last night we’re at
Franklin’s restaurant we know the rest eighty our signatures I have 15 people
haven’t turned in their petitions as you well know under the Charter under
Section 30 and section 31 1 to 32 when I collect 1250 signatures and turn them
into Allen bow and I was hoping to do it tonight for Ben bench them great theater
but it is to be what it is mr. Buller we’ll be seeing you very soon I have
another issue to bring up in it and one of her mandates to the Republican Party
of Virginia is to his voter registration first time we came here we had three
tents of course we didn’t ever prevent now every time I see cap regret I’m
denied a little more than I got a chair at this time I do appreciate the chair
I’m a hundred percent disabled but I’m trying to register both healthy voters
and disabled veterans it’s very difficult when you have arthritis carpal
tunnel syndrome any of these maladies that will keep you from sitting there
with a clipboard in your hand I have a hard time I can barely write so I really
I’m coming back I really like a table when I come back mr. fish go I hope
you’ll grant that because I know that a lot of people occur in your water but I
know what bowing in is and when I was a kid I was bullied I was called pizza
face fingers it’s been a year and a half of my life
laying in a hospital bed I’ve had over 60 operations I know bullion your bully
thank you thank you mr. Mooney and William Jackson senior
follow hey dude evening I’m Brendon Mooney and
won the executive members for Virginia since defensely I’m here from Virginia
Beach first of all I must say I now know more about Airbnb than I think I’ve ever
wanted to know I’ve I’ve been I’ve been in a lot of these city council meetings
I also the last time I was behind a microphone was speaking to 75,000 people
to show up in Richmond and it was awe-inspiring we have a serious concern
here Norfolk is one of the only cities that still is not a sanctuary city now I
understand that that means a lot to come from you guys for the people here in
Norfolk I regularly do business here in Norfolk I own a IT company that I have
clients here I’ll still go to church there Trinity Church and Norfolk here
and they’re there at the not just we appreciate you guys helping us out that
what am I here for that today as you guys know very well the Second Amendment
is under attack and we are scared as not only residents
of Virginia Beach Chesapeake Suffolk and Portsmouth who have passed similar
resolutions were steered it what is going on in Richmond will not allow us
to come over here to Norfolk I really am petrified if they try and pass these
rules and laws that you guys won’t enforce these unconstitutional laws and
that’s terrifying I was in a mall shooting back in oh wait outside of
Seattle and seeing the gun-free zones and things that are people are trying to
do the mall I was at was a gun-free zone I was only a hundred yards or so away
from the person that was committing the crime and it was it was frightening and
from that day forward I always said no matter what I can do legally I’m gonna
make sure I’m armed I have my my business lawyer he is a Jewish gentleman
and he faces anti-semitism on a daily basis his wife has been threatened and
it’s it’s frightening and I have friends that have reached out from liberal gun
owners of America they have said hey we have a lot of LGBTQ people that
are being discriminated against we have other minorities they’re being
exterminated against the trans community is one of the most harass and
discriminated against people out there and unfortunately your guys’s great
police they do a wonderful job but when you’re being robbed because they don’t
like what your gender is these people deserve those rights to be able to
defend themselves and we’re just worried that if they pass on ewis laws make it
harder those people are going to be affected and I would hate for you guys
the City Council not to hear about that in the news your guyses police
department’s been doing wonderful work I read in the news but they’re not there
all the time they’ll even tell you themselves they can’t be there 100% of
the time and I just want to make sure that you guys can be able to support the
citizens here in Norfolk I really do and I really appreciate your time god bless
you guys have a great night thank you Marcus göran evening mayor
Alexander and all the honorable members of the City Council my name is William D
Jackson senior I reside at 3709 Buckingham Street in Norfolk Virginia
and that’s in the Estabrook section of the city here we go again I will begin
tonight by asking each of you seated here in front of me to take a good hard
look at all these people back here they’re good people as you are I like
many of them are here some of us for the third and fourth time or the fourth
third and fourth straight city council meeting we have come here tonight again
to ask this council to put forth and pass the Second Amendment preservation
ordinance put forth by petition said made it to the council by the second
amendment preservation coalition I’ve addressed this council a number of times
some of the times there were issues that were of importance to my Civic League
several times they were issues that were it’s important to just me this time it’s
different this time it’s important to the every
law-abiding gun owning citizen in the City of Norfolk in the state of Virginia
and in these United States of America I believe that the Virginia State General
Assembly’s majority party is trying to disarm we the people I’m not the only
one that believes this as you heard just a little while ago this is why ninety
one of Virginians 95 counties 15 cities and 30 towns in the state have passed
some sort of second amendment sanctuary constitutional or preservation ordinance
way past time that the City of Norfolk joins those people I thank you for your
attention Marcus the winner followed by Reid
Grimwood Marcus Goering 22:49 maplestreet
Virginia Beach two three four five one that’s my speaker before said 91 of 95
counties are in some form second-amendment counties and I was
asking myself this is the second time I’m speaking infirm you cancel members
and wondering why aren’t you bringing this up to a vote
what is the reason are you afraid of showing your colors if you’re pro or
against it I just don’t understand it it’s the fourth time as I hear that
people have been speaking about this matter what’s the problem are you afraid
of getting reelected what I don’t understand the matters behind your
decision of not putting this up for a vote show your colors thank you followed
by Michelle Rowley good evening members of the Norfolk City Council my name is
Reed griemann I live in Virginia Beach this is the first time I’ve ever
addressed you I want to talk a little bit about something you probably haven’t
stopped to think about on the second amendment resolution issue
I work in Norfolk although I live in Virginia Beach Michelle and I we love
Norfolk we are members of the Norfolk Botanical Garden we are members of the
Norfolk zoo we participate Andreea in a vet on you’re engaged Norfolk event
three years in a row as we are Virginia Beach tea party board members as you
know dr. Alexander since you take selfies with us we love the history
Michelle and I went to the Hermitage house last Friday night it is a treasure
absolute treasure they had a special event called style and flair exhibiting
mrs. Sloane’s clothes we sail on board the American rover and we love that we
sail on board the spirit of Norfolk we take the Elizabeth River ferry and go
back and cross from waterside over to have a drink and come back just to see
the fireworks over the bay we go to admirals games watch hockey we go to the
ballpark to watch ballgames my daughter was a cheerleader at ODU I took classes
at ODU I’ve worked across the street at Dominion tower for CACI on plume Street
for trader publishing company and I now work on Robin Hood Road near the airport
my girlfriend is an amazing florist and we buy our flowers from norfolk
wholesaler we go to the wells theatre to attend Virginia stage company events we
go to Nauticus we love touring the battleship Wisconsin we shop here we do
antique stores you have some amazing antique stores on Granby Street 21st
Street we love coming here and spending our money we really do Maya Luna is one
of our favorite restaurants and so is off the hook next door we love the
nightlife down at waterside we are law-abiding taxpaying citizens who come
here and spend our money and have a great time in Norfolk like I said
Botanical Gardens is one of our favorite places but we don’t come here unarmed we
take care of our children and ourselves by arming ourselves to protect ourselves
and as every one of these law enforcement officers will tell you they
can’t be everywhere at all at one time mayor mr. Riddick if you don’t vote on
this and support our constitutional rights to bear and keep arms
you’re gonna lose our business I got plenty of places to buy antiques I got
plenty of places to go to enjoy and spend my money like you were asked bring
this up for a vote support our constitutional rights allow us to defend
ourselves and shop and spend our money in your city
thank you I ask you to do this thank you good evening it’s nice to see you all
tonight my name is Michele Riley I’m a resident of Virginia Beach while I echo
a lot of the things that the other people here here have said I did a
little bit of research to prepare for my remarks for tonight
and I came across some statistics that scared me a little bit especially as
Reid stated he and I spend a lot of time in Norfolk and huh I was a little bit
shocked when I found this out apparently Norfolk has a crime rate of
41 per 1000 residents which is one of the highest crime rates in America
compared to all communities of all sizes now before I continue I just want to say
that I don’t mean any disrespect to our police officers in this city because I
know police officers work incredibly hard and they do the best they can with
what they’ve got and they put their lives on the line every single day and I
have utmost respect for our officers but considering some of these statistics
that I found I found out that one’s chance of becoming a victim of either a
violent or a property crime in Norfolk is one in 24 I guess there’s about two hundred and
forty five thousand residents in Norfolk and about 750 police officers from what
I could find that’s one police officer for every 326
residents now how in the world does it make logical sense to not pass a second
amendment resolution protecting people’s rights to bear arms with statistics like
this Norfolk is a beautiful wonderful city but I’m gonna tell you right now
just walking from the East parking lot over here to this lovely building made
me glad to have my second Amendment rights as Reid said we enjoy so many
beautiful things about this city but you keep continuing to have citizens that
come in here over and over again asking you to please pass this resolution I
can’t vote for you obviously so I’m pretty sure that my opinion doesn’t mean
that much my little bit of money that I spend in Norfolk isn’t gonna break the
bank for any of you but if enough people stopped coming here because they could
go to cities where their rights are protected or if enough people decide
maybe they don’t want to live in Norfolk because they’d rather live in Chesapeake
or Suffolk or Virginia Beach or Portsmouth or any of the other sister
cities here in Tidewater that have passed these resolutions eventually it
will make an economic impact on your city and you know it if the fact that
you’re kind of breaking your oath to uphold the Constitution by not passing
this resolution doesn’t mean anything then the economic impact should good
evening mayor alexander city council i’m daniel short 2400 hampton boulevard a
retired military officer combat veteran and business owner in your city we have
generated millions and millions of dollars within this city and we’ve paid
hundreds of thousands of in taxes and i will not stay in a city that does not
protect my constitutional rights the United States and Virginia constitutions
were established to protect we the people from you the government the
United States constitutions fifth amendment guarantees that no person
shall be deprived of life liberty or property without due process of law nor
shall private property be taken without just compensation the Fifth Amendment’s
fourth distinct constitutional right guarantees that all defendants receive a
fair trial boiled down it means the Constitution guarantees innocent until
proven guilty Mike Bloomberg supported New York
stop-and-frisk policy although it was effective in reducing illegal weapons in
2013 US District Court Judge Shara a Sheindlin ruled that the city police had
violated the US Constitution in a way it carried out the stop and frisk program
judge Scheindlin said that stop and frisk could only be used where there is
a reasonable basis for suspicion of an individual stopped and frisked had
turned the law upside down to become guilty until proven innocent which is
why she ruled against it the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the
United States and the Virginia constitutions guarantee the right of the
people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed infringed is not ambiguous
in its definition Maren bloom Mayor Bloomberg and governor nor thumbs at
emp’d to erase the second amendment has the same implications as stop and frisk
it declares that law-abiding citizens are guilty without due process of law
and deprives them of property in short we become guilty until proven innocent I
am a citizen who under this law would automatically be found guilty and like
the other citizens citizens of Virginia do not even get a chance to prove
ourselves innocent so although this legislation was temporarily killed in
the Virginia Senate I urge the Norfolk City Council to declare Norfolk to
sanctuary city and send a message to the governor and Mayor Bloomberg that
Norfolk still honors the United States and Virginia constitutions and
absolutely no disrespect to the armed men in blue surrounding me but when
seconds count the police will be there in minutes thank you

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